Well, that doesn't really refute my point. Of course if you helped someone across the street, and Karma believed that to earn you enough Karma-points to obtain 10 bucks, then yes; however, we (or at least I) was speaking specifically of that situation. If someone had no good or bad karma, then giving one dollar, would, and should, only warrant enough karma to obtain 1 dollar back. If we aren't using that, then when you said giving 1 dollar will give you 10 dollars is still wrong, since they could have enough karma to get 100 dollars, or so much bad karma that giving 1 dollar doesn't really change anything.
Yes, I am using our reality, interpersonal dynamics and earth as an example. What would you suggest in its stead?
My example isn't an extreme- it presupposes full faith in karma will result in a balancing of scales. You might call it a purist perspective. And no, I do not believe in karma, so this statement is inaccurate. I'm curious about hearing from people who believe in karma. Not moving semantic goalposts about my beliefs.
I wasn't suggesting we shouldn't use the reality of the world: I was suggesting since we have to use the reality of the world, and jails are a part of this reality, then we can also use it, not remove it.
If you do not believe in karma, why are you saying the legal system is a function of karma? Your argument fails when you neglect to consider the corrupt legal system, lawyers who make money by getting criminals off the hook, people who are wrongly incarcerated, or people who never get caught at all. The men and women of Wall street, responsible for the utter destruction of millions of peoples financial stability, received their bonus at the end of the year. Not one resigned and the banks they own stand.
I didn't intend for the money example to be taken so literally--the subject is far more convoluted than that.
This point doesn't really work, since the functionality of karma isn't really dependent on what other people are doing. For instance, items are incredibly overpriced in order for the creator to reap as much money as they possibly can. It's called a profit margin, and they will gouge your pockets if they think they can keep stretching it. However, despite the creator getting more money, Karma isn't suddenly going to not provide you with the means to buy that product just because the creator is also reaping more money. The Karma for you is independent of the consequence or reward of another. Yet, that creator will harbor bad karma depending on their intent for increasing their profit more and decreasing the quality of their product.
Not true. There may be people in prison who don't belong there. The jailed could have had a turn of heart and changed. The point is; the criminals would return to society and karma would take care of the rest. Since you're not a believer in karma, I don't expect you to defend it. I am saying that if you really believe in karma, like one's faith in God, then you would be at peace knowing karma will right their wrongs. I think believers of karma would still be against releasing the prisoners, because karma comes after the act, and the act could be terrible.
Well, I'm not defending it because I believe in it: I'm simply pointing out why the argument doesn't work. Devil's Advocate. I also do this with people who share common beliefs as me, but have arrived to them with fault. However, your point could be refuted by saying, "And there are guilty people in jail"; thus, if more are guilty than innocence, then I'd imagine, since Karma is unbias, that it would just be a number's game. The more guilty people would harbor more bad karma for those releasing them. You punching 6 old ladies in the face so you can quickly get past their slow moving bodies to grab the baby falling from a shelf would probably garner you bad karma for the punching, and good karma for saving the baby. How much? No idea. Karma never provided a spread sheet.
Again, legal system is corrupt. You might suggest the legal system was created with the intention of holding people accountable for their actions- that would be viable. But unfortunately many people are not as honest as you are indirectly implying, and again, the subject is more convoluted than 'man goes to prison, thats karma'.
Doing away with the legal system would not be tying karamas hands- it would be having full faith in karmas existence. This is no different from belief in god and asking forgiveness on ones deathbed after a life of raping and murdering, in order to go to heaven. What you're resisting is faith in what cannot be proven. Not karma.
Karma and God are actually completely different things. Karma is like energy that continues to strive to be in balance. It isn't a being that reaches its hand down and changes things. For instance, say a man kills someone: Karma isn't a person who reaches down and instantly ends their life, too, without any normal means. It isn't conscious. It's just a scale.
God, however, is actually conscious and aware and intentional.
Because Karma is a scale, then it is constantly balancing. So, taking away weights that it uses to balance, is simply pointless. Karma will just find a new weight to perform the balance--as a robber being robbed, rather than going to jail. Thus, it is kind of pointless to ask if those who believe in Karma would be okay with removing the justice system because they believe in Karma. It's just a pointless question. You could ask if they are okay with removing jails because it harbors innocent people, but if someone truly believed in karma, then they shouldn't be for or against something being removed or added because of Karma. Karma will do it's thing. Your question is under the assumption that people who believe in Karma only want jails because they believe in Karma. Most likely they want jails so they aren't killed by someone else. Karma doesn't prevent you from being killed by someone who is about to reap bad karma.
Or else there'd never be bad karma in the world
Granted, you could have a point if you actively take away everything: if you just put two people in an empty room: one man previously killed someone and the other previously gave to charity, what would Karma do, since there's nothing it can use to balance the weights?
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